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1.永恒黑（Black）
PS：永恒黑并不叫Eternal Black，官方叫永恒黑Black
Q＆A 问答：
Q1:If the ink iswaterproof, do you need to use something other than water to clean your pen?
A1-Q1:No. Cleaninga pen is easy. It is only waterproof on cellulose based products. Examples forthese products are cellulose paper, cotton (90%), and wool (50%). Be carefulnot to get this ink on clothing. Do not be concerned with getting this ink onthe skin. It will wash off with soap and water. This is a great ink.
By Gust Hapsis Jr.on January 2, 2014
A2-Q1:Water shouldclean most of it out of your pen because its only water proof on paper. I thisit chemically bonds with the paper. It is still harder to clean this stuff outof your pen then regular ink, I use a pen cleaner solution. Diluted ammoniashould work. Goulet fountain pens sell a cheap pen cleaner.
By Garrett onJanuary 6, 2014
问题1：如果这款永恒黑防水，那我们需要用除了水之外的东西来清洁钢笔吗？
回答1：不需要。清洁一支钢笔很简单。永恒黑只会在纤维基的物品上面防水。比方说由90%棉花和50%羊毛做的纤维纸。一定要小心别让这墨水弄到衣服上面。墨水弄到了皮肤上不要担心，用肥皂洗一洗就没了。这款墨水非常好。（Gust Hapsis Jr,2014-1-2）
回答2：水会把你的笔差不多洗干净。因为永恒黑只在纸上防水。我认为永恒黑和纸会发生某种化学反应。但是跟其他墨水比较来看，要把钢笔里的永恒黑洗干净会稍微麻烦一些，我用的是钢笔清洗剂。稀释的氨水应该也可以。笔贩子古雷特家有超级便宜的钢笔清洗剂。(Garrett,2014-1-6)
Q2: Lamy said my leakcould be because of this ink. Any other Lamy owners experience this problem?
A1-Q2: What kind of leak?I've never had a problem using this in my Lamy Safari and AL-Star. It is afairly wet ink, and might run if you're not careful, but it's never caused mypen to leak.
By Michael onOctober 8, 2013
A2-Q2: I have used thisink in several Lamy Safari & Al-Star pens for 4 years. It has never givenme any trouble. In fact the ONLY problem I have ever had was when I switched toLAMY ink. The Lamy ink clogged my pen and although I tried many times to clearit, it remains unusable to this day. I have also used Carbon Ink in my Lamypens without any trouble. I have found the Lamy adapters can be leaky and preferto take an Lamy ink cartridge (nice and long) and empty it with a syringe,clean it, and then refill it with a syringe - it fits better (no leaks) andholds more ink than the adapter does. Hope that helps.
By Taka onFebruary 19, 2014
问题2：凌美说我的笔漏墨是因为永恒黑。大家有在凌美上上永恒黑漏墨的吗?
回答1：什么样的漏墨？我的狩猎和恒星喝永恒黑挺好的啊。永恒黑流动性还不错，可能你不小心，让笔漏墨了，但是永恒黑从来没让我的笔漏过墨水。(Michael,2013-10-8)
回答2：我在狩猎和恒星上用永恒黑四年了，从来没有出过问题。事实上我的笔第一次出问题是因为我改用凌美自家的墨水了。凌美墨水堵住了我的笔，虽然我试着去洗了很多次笔，它还是不能用。我的凌美用碳素墨水也没有出现过任何问题。我倒是发现凌美的上墨器喜欢漏，所以我更喜欢把凌美墨囊用完清洗后，用注射器再打新的墨水进去-墨囊比上墨器装的墨水多（不漏）。希望这能帮助到你。（Taka,2014-2-19）
Reviews 测评：
2017-6-28 Byjuanmrz
Excellent forartists, 100% waterproof
5 Stars
Dont trust the badreviews, THIS INK IS 100% WATERPROOF, I bought it specifically to paintwatercolors on top of it, right now Ive used canson, fabriano and winsor andnewton paper, from 90gsm to 300gsm and it didnt bleed or smear in any of thoseafter putting watercolors on top, I just bought a second bottle of the sameblack ink because now im sure this is the ink ill be using for the rest of mylife
画家的首选，百分百防水。（5星）
别相信其他负面的测评，永恒黑百分百防水！我买永恒黑拿来画画，把永恒黑涂在水彩下面。现在我已经用了康松，法布里亚诺，温莎和牛顿纸，从90g纸用到了300g，永恒黑从来没有晕染或者被擦花，我刚由买了一瓶永恒黑，因为我确信我余生都会跟永恒黑过了。
（17人认为这条评测有用）
2014-10-29 By AdamWalker Cleaveland
Not Good forWatercolors on Top
2 Stars
I'm giving this a2 just because in my experience, it was NOT waterproof. I let it dry for over24 hours, and then when I went to put watercolors over the top of it - it stillbled.
In my book, thatmeans it's not waterproof. You can see where the sketch of the Lamy Safari penhits the red watercolors, it bleeds.
I also licked myfinger, and ran it over text that I had written that had been dry for 24 hours,and it smudged. Other commenters here said that it did NOT smudge. I don't knowwhat to say about that, except mine smudged.
不适合画水彩（2星）
我只给了两星，因为我很难受，永恒黑不防水。我让永恒黑晾干了24小时，当我准备把水彩画上去的时候，它糊了。
在我的字典里，这意味着不防水。你可以看到凌美画红色水彩的地方，永恒黑的墨迹糊了。
我也试着舔湿我的手指然后在我晾了24个小时的用永恒黑写的字迹上抹，字迹糊了。这里其他的评论都说永恒黑不会糊。我不知道为什么他们这么说。难道我的不防水？
（44人认为这条评论有用）
图片来自AMAZON.COM
PS：永恒黑并不叫Eternal Black，官方叫永恒黑Black
Q＆A 问答：
Q1:If the ink iswaterproof, do you need to use something other than water to clean your pen?
A1-Q1:No. Cleaninga pen is easy. It is only waterproof on cellulose based products. Examples forthese products are cellulose paper, cotton (90%), and wool (50%). Be carefulnot to get this ink on clothing. Do not be concerned with getting this ink onthe skin. It will wash off with soap and water. This is a great ink.
By Gust Hapsis Jr.on January 2, 2014
A2-Q1:Water shouldclean most of it out of your pen because its only water proof on paper. I thisit chemically bonds with the paper. It is still harder to clean this stuff outof your pen then regular ink, I use a pen cleaner solution. Diluted ammoniashould work. Goulet fountain pens sell a cheap pen cleaner.
By Garrett onJanuary 6, 2014
问题1：如果这款永恒黑防水，那我们需要用除了水之外的东西来清洁钢笔吗？
回答1：不需要。清洁一支钢笔很简单。永恒黑只会在纤维基的物品上面防水。比方说由90%棉花和50%羊毛做的纤维纸。一定要小心别让这墨水弄到衣服上面。墨水弄到了皮肤上不要担心，用肥皂洗一洗就没了。这款墨水非常好。（Gust Hapsis Jr,2014-1-2）
回答2：水会把你的笔差不多洗干净。因为永恒黑只在纸上防水。我认为永恒黑和纸会发生某种化学反应。但是跟其他墨水比较来看，要把钢笔里的永恒黑洗干净会稍微麻烦一些，我用的是钢笔清洗剂。稀释的氨水应该也可以。笔贩子古雷特家有超级便宜的钢笔清洗剂。(Garrett,2014-1-6)
Q2: Lamy said my leakcould be because of this ink. Any other Lamy owners experience this problem?
A1-Q2: What kind of leak?I've never had a problem using this in my Lamy Safari and AL-Star. It is afairly wet ink, and might run if you're not careful, but it's never caused mypen to leak.
By Michael onOctober 8, 2013
A2-Q2: I have used thisink in several Lamy Safari & Al-Star pens for 4 years. It has never givenme any trouble. In fact the ONLY problem I have ever had was when I switched toLAMY ink. The Lamy ink clogged my pen and although I tried many times to clearit, it remains unusable to this day. I have also used Carbon Ink in my Lamypens without any trouble. I have found the Lamy adapters can be leaky and preferto take an Lamy ink cartridge (nice and long) and empty it with a syringe,clean it, and then refill it with a syringe - it fits better (no leaks) andholds more ink than the adapter does. Hope that helps.
By Taka onFebruary 19, 2014
问题2：凌美说我的笔漏墨是因为永恒黑。大家有在凌美上上永恒黑漏墨的吗?
回答1：什么样的漏墨？我的狩猎和恒星喝永恒黑挺好的啊。永恒黑流动性还不错，可能你不小心，让笔漏墨了，但是永恒黑从来没让我的笔漏过墨水。(Michael,2013-10-8)
回答2：我在狩猎和恒星上用永恒黑四年了，从来没有出过问题。事实上我的笔第一次出问题是因为我改用凌美自家的墨水了。凌美墨水堵住了我的笔，虽然我试着去洗了很多次笔，它还是不能用。我的凌美用碳素墨水也没有出现过任何问题。我倒是发现凌美的上墨器喜欢漏，所以我更喜欢把凌美墨囊用完清洗后，用注射器再打新的墨水进去-墨囊比上墨器装的墨水多（不漏）。希望这能帮助到你。（Taka,2014-2-19）
Reviews 测评：
2017-6-28 Byjuanmrz
Excellent forartists, 100% waterproof
5 Stars
Dont trust the badreviews, THIS INK IS 100% WATERPROOF, I bought it specifically to paintwatercolors on top of it, right now Ive used canson, fabriano and winsor andnewton paper, from 90gsm to 300gsm and it didnt bleed or smear in any of thoseafter putting watercolors on top, I just bought a second bottle of the sameblack ink because now im sure this is the ink ill be using for the rest of mylife
画家的首选，百分百防水。（5星）
别相信其他负面的测评，永恒黑百分百防水！我买永恒黑拿来画画，把永恒黑涂在水彩下面。现在我已经用了康松，法布里亚诺，温莎和牛顿纸，从90g纸用到了300g，永恒黑从来没有晕染或者被擦花，我刚由买了一瓶永恒黑，因为我确信我余生都会跟永恒黑过了。
（17人认为这条评测有用）
2014-10-29 By AdamWalker Cleaveland
Not Good forWatercolors on Top
2 Stars
I'm giving this a2 just because in my experience, it was NOT waterproof. I let it dry for over24 hours, and then when I went to put watercolors over the top of it - it stillbled.
In my book, thatmeans it's not waterproof. You can see where the sketch of the Lamy Safari penhits the red watercolors, it bleeds.
I also licked myfinger, and ran it over text that I had written that had been dry for 24 hours,and it smudged. Other commenters here said that it did NOT smudge. I don't knowwhat to say about that, except mine smudged.
不适合画水彩（2星）
我只给了两星，因为我很难受，永恒黑不防水。我让永恒黑晾干了24小时，当我准备把水彩画上去的时候，它糊了。
在我的字典里，这意味着不防水。你可以看到凌美画红色水彩的地方，永恒黑的墨迹糊了。
我也试着舔湿我的手指然后在我晾了24个小时的用永恒黑写的字迹上抹，字迹糊了。这里其他的评论都说永恒黑不会糊。我不知道为什么他们这么说。难道我的不防水？
（44人认为这条评论有用）
图片来自AMAZON.COM
