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高河おばちゃん的圆边眼镜看着好眼熟啊


1楼2014-12-01 15:58回复
    周末通宵恶补漫画。有好多好多念头涌起。会在这里集合一下。


    2楼2014-12-01 16:05
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      Interview with Yun Kouga(高河ゆん), Seiji Mizushima, and Yosuke Kuroda
      July 1, 2009
      Interviewed by Bryan Hartzheim and William Hong
      Translations by Bryan Hartzheim


      5楼2014-12-01 23:37
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        再发一遍这个采访的有关loveless的内容。
        AX 2009 News: Yun Kouga Mini-Interview from the Panel
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        Written by: Ai Kano
        Among the special guests of honor that came to AX 2009 is Yun Kouga, the brilliant manga artist behind such manga titles like Earthian, Yousei Jiken and current fan favorite Loveless. She’s also the character designer for Mobile Suit Gundam 00.
        During her panel, Kouga-sensei encouraged all her fans in attendance to ask her any question and it’s not surprising that an overwhelming number of questions were about Loveless. Our small Q&A with Kouga-sensei went as following:
        Ai: What was your thought process when you came up with Loveless?
        Kouga: I came up with it because it was a long time since I written a story about a boy.
        Ai: Will the series stay more a shoujo title or will it eventually become yaoi?
        Kouga: I would like to take the series in a more “hardcore” yaoi direction than in the past. It all depends on a number of factors, though, but this is what I would like.
        Ai: Are you happy with the way Loveless is printed here in the States? (a panel guest also asked this question and mentioned the translated sound effects versus the original sound effects).
        Kouga: I would like for the series to stay as close to my vision as possible.
        Kouga-sensei was astonished how many yaoi fans were in attendance and asked if they would like an original yaoi title penned by her. Judging by the overwhelming positive response, she felt encouraged enough to announce that she might just think about creating another title. That’s something to look forward to, yaoi fans.
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        On Loveless
        APA: How much Loveless is left?
        Yun Kouga: The manga will end at Vol. 15
        APA: Will the Loveless anime ever get a second season?
        Kouga: Maybe.
        APA: Why is Loveless classified as a yaoi? Gundam Wing was more yaoi than Loveless.
        Yun Kouga: I don't consider it as yaoi, but my fans do.


        9楼2014-12-13 19:39
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          摇滚乐里有一个分支叫psychobilly, 特点是Psychobilly is often characterized by lyrical references to science fiction, horror and exploitation films, violence, lurid sexuality, and other topics generally considered taboo, though often presented in a comedic or tongue-in-cheek fashion。有一个psychobilly 的乐队叫loveless, 85年的时候就在唱。高河老师有没有听过?Loveless这个漫画有很多精神分析方向的探索,正是它吸引我的原因。Psychobilly 的关键词exploitation, violence, lurid sexuality也与漫画的隐喻重合


          10楼2014-12-13 19:50
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            草灯的人物设计如此独树一帜,摆脱了任何类型化的可能。人间也曾经有过这样一个言灵,一去不返


            11楼2014-12-13 19:57
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              有关蝴蝶的隐喻。我知道的最狂热的蝴蝶捕捉者和收集者当属Vladimir Nabokov. 他的名著Lolita就是他在美国西部捕蝶的旅途中写就。虽然一直以文字为生,Nabokov通过对蝴蝶的捕捉收集和观察在1945年提出了独立的蝴蝶迁徙猜想,这个猜想在2011年被生物学家证实。Nabokov的儿子回忆父亲去世前的情景:A few days before he died there was a moment I remember with special clarity. During the penultimate farewell, after I had kissed his still-warm forehead—as I had for years when saying goodbye—tears suddenly welled in Father’s eyes. I asked him why. He replied that certain butterfly was already on the wing; and his eyes told me he no longer hoped that he would live to pursue it again.
              无比动人。
              众所周知,Lolita也是在探讨一片道德禁地,例如对未成年者的强烈情感。为了能让书出版,书中的隐喻比比皆是。是极好的阅读练习。


              13楼2014-12-14 00:05
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                Loveless漫画从一开始就在通俗漫画与人性探讨之间边缘行走。猫耳猫尾是s.q.表演中经常出现的装束,与Sex behaviour相关的设定似乎都在提示作品的倾向。但是至少到12卷结束,并没有出现任何明显的场景。


                14楼2014-12-14 00:22
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                  有关牺牲者与战斗机的设定:明确的操纵人格(manipulative personality)与被操纵人格(manipulated personality)组合。战斗机的作战能力越强,这样的组合越令人惊讶,战斗机为什么要任由牺牲者操纵?回顾历史,每个独裁者身旁都出现了智勇双全、狂热忠诚的辅佐。从范蠡到韩信到中国现代史上这个不言自明的例子。


                  15楼2014-12-14 15:50
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                    我的书桌,正在学日语。好在有好多漫画可以看。うれしい


                    16楼2014-12-17 16:23
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                      有关第七月的名字。日语是ななつの月,有一本科幻小说the puppet masters,中文译作傀儡主人,有兴趣的同学可以去百度一下。意大利语的题目译作la sesta luna(第六月)。第六月这个名字的来历是因为原著里入侵地球的外星生物来自土星的第六个卫星,Titan。第七月应该也是指一颗卫星。太阳系中的天王星,海王星,土星都有第七卫星。土星的尤其奇怪,是一个海绵状的天体。


                      19楼2014-12-20 06:25
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                        最后有关beloved, 双人组合的战斗,令人很容易想到古希腊著名的底比斯圣队。
                        说来话长,维基里有一写内容可以参考。下面的内容来自维基
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                        底比斯圣队(古希腊语 Ιερός ∧όχος τών Θηβών 或者 ἱερὸς λόχος hieròs lókhos)是古希腊城邦底比斯的一支精锐部队,共300人,由150对同性恋伴侣组成。这支部队是前4世纪底比斯军队的精英。底比斯将领高吉达斯于前378年组织了这支部队。圣队在留克特拉战役中起了关键作用。于前338年的喀罗尼亚战役中被由腓力二世率领的马其顿军全部歼灭。
                        According to Plutarch, the 300 hand-picked men were chosen by Gorgidas purely for ability and merit, regardless of social class.[17] It was composed of 150 male couples,[15] each pair consisting of an older erastês (ἐραστής, "lover") and a younger erômenos (ἐρώμενος, "beloved").[18] Athenaeus of Naucratis also records the Sacred Band as being composed of "lovers and their favorites, thus indicating the dignity of the god Eros in that they embrace a glorious death in preference to a dishonorable and reprehensible life";[9] while Polyaenus describes the Sacred Band as being composed of men "devoted to each other by mutual obligations of love".[7] The origin of the "sacred" appellation of the Sacred Band is unexplained by Dinarchus and other historians. But Plutarch claims that it was due to an exchange of sacred vows between lover and beloved at the shrine of Iolaus (one of the lovers of Hercules) at Thebes. He also tangentially mentions Plato's characterization of the lover as a "friend inspired of God"
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                        底比斯圣队的骨干成员是150对男性伴侣,年长一方被称作lover,年少一方被称作beloved. 双方在战斗中倾力保护对方,从而使整个圣队的战斗力异常强大。Love,在古希腊语中是Eros,被认为是神圣的战斗力的一部分。


                        20楼2014-12-20 06:40
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                          漫画快看了一遍,想到的花边暂时这么多。我总觉得这后面还有很多其他的花边要去慢慢发掘。下面开始专心梳理这个漫画。如果你看到这个帖子,告诉我一下吧。我会很高兴。


                          21楼2014-12-20 06:51
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                            2006年的另一个采访
                            Q: Regarding the manga, it seems as though there were dramatic developments for various characters in 2005.
                            K: After this I am thinking of preparing episodes in which Seimei will become even more unpleasant and Soubi will become more hopeless (laugh).
                            Q: Are Seimei's speech and conduct "unpleasant?"
                            K: To me they are unpleasant.
                            Editor: When Kouga-sensei calls a character "unpleasant," it means she is pleased with that character.
                            K: Oh, really!? (laugh) Ah, and I plan on making Ritsuka even more cool.
                            Q: Speaking of Ritsuka, compared to when the serialization began he's gotten very good at handling Soubi, hasn't he?
                            K: I want him to continue working hard like he has been doing. Even though I'm the one drawing him, I feel that Ritsuka is pitiful (laugh). That his life sucks. Compared to scenes in which the other characters appear, the scenes in which Ritsuka appears often makes me gloomy.
                            Q: After all, the people around Ritsuka are Soubi and Seimei, who are slightly different from the ordinary person.
                            K: Soubi is a kind of airhead and has fallen away from normality a bit, but he doesn't think he's strange at all. Seimei is slightly more self-aware, but there's a streak in him that thinks, "I want to do [it] so [it's] okay." That's way more dangerous. Because Soubi is an airhead, I want him to be forgiven even if he's odd (laugh).
                            Q: As for future developments, what is on our minds is whether there will come a day when Seimei and Ritsuka will have contact with each other, and what will happen to Soubi at that time.
                            K: On Seimei and Ritsuka having contact, I can't state when but it will happen before long. As for Soubi when that happens...he'll probably be totally useless (laugh).
                            When asked what goals she had for 2006, she replied that one of them was to put out two volumes during the year. Wouldn't that be nice?...Except that it'd be two volumes closer to the end. ^^;
                            It's interesting to see again and again how manga artists can view adaptations into other media of their own work so objectively and distantly. They seem to think of the manga as their baby, and anything else as an associated work to be viewed with interest but not really claimed as theirs. Kouga-sensei expressed this view in this interview, and I've read other interviews of other artists where the same thoughts have been professed.


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                              哎呀好久没来,不会成了坟贴了吧


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